Steam Chambers at Treblinka

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Hartlepool Northern Daily Mail -friday 14th December 1945

http://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk

A small extract from an article relating events at the Nuremburg trials. Major Walsh submits details of the Treblinka extermination camp and mass murder of Jews by suffocation in steam chambers. 

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25 thoughts on “Steam Chambers at Treblinka

  1. I read Nora Levin’s tome, The Holocaust (1968). In it, she discusses Treblinka, but the number of victims allegedly killed is much smaller than the current 875,000. The “official” story can no longer be accepted.

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      1. Here is the Polish document:

        http://www.cwporter.com/textfile1.htm

        It’s from the denier CW Porter.

        Unfortunately your newspaper article….or the snippet you posted….doesn’t show that the Poles also mentioned “gas chambers” along with your steam chambers:

        ” hitherto unknown, new methods, gas and steam chambers as well as electric current….”

        Here is information from Nuremberg, you’ll note that both the witness and Hoess mention gas chambers:

        RAJZMAN: They were brought nearly always in trains, and only the Jews from neighboring villages and hamlets were brought in trucks. The trucks bore inscriptions, “Expedition Speer,” and came from Vinegrova Sokolova and other places.

        MR. COUNSELLOR SMIRNOV: Please tell us, what was the subsequent aspect of the station at Treblinka?

        RAJZMAN: At first there were no signboards whatsoever at the station, but a few months later the commander of the camp, one Kurt Franz, built a first-class railroad station with signboards. The barracks where the clothing was stored had signs reading “restaurant,” “ticket office,” “telegraph,” “telephone,” and so forth. There were even train schedules for the departure and the arrival of trains to and from Grodno, Suwalki, Vienna, and Berlin.

        MR. COUNSELLOR SMIRNOV: Did I rightly understand you, Witness, that a kind of make-believe station was built with signboards and train schedules, with indications of platforms for train departures to Suwalki, and so forth?

        RAJZMAN: When the persons descended from the trains, they really had the impression that they were at a very good station from where they could go to Suwalki, Vienna, Grodno, or other cities.

        MR. COUNSELLOR SMIRNOV: And what happened later on to these people?

        RAJZMAN: These people were taken directly along the Himmelfahrtstrasse to the gas chambers.

        http://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/02-27-46.asp

        Hoess’s affidavit:
        “6. The ‘final solution’ of the Jewish question meant the complete extermination of all Jews in Europe. I was ordered to establish extermination facilities at Auschwitz in June 1941. At that time, there were already in the General Government three other extermination camps: Belzek, Treblinka, and Wolzek. These camps were under the Einsatzkommando of the Security Police and SD. I visited Treblinka to find out how they carried out their exterminations. The camp commandant at Treblinka told me that he had liquidated 80,000 in the course of onehalf year. He was principally concerned with liquidating all the Jews from the Warsaw Ghetto. He used monoxide gas, and I did not think that his methods were very efficient. So when I set up the extermination building at Auschwitz, I used Cyklon B. which was a crystallized prussic acid which we dropped into the death chamber from a small opening. It took from 3 to 15 minutes to kill the people in the death chamber, depending upon climatic conditions. We knew when the people were dead because their screaming stopped. We usually waited about onehalf hour before we opened the doors and removed the bodies. After the bodies were removed our special Kommandos took off the rings and extracted the gold from the teeth of the corpses.”

        416

        15 April 46

        Is that all true and correct, Witness?

        HOESS: Yes.

        COL. AMEN: Incidentally, what was done with the gold which was taken from the teeth of the corpses, do you know?

        HOESS: Yes.

        COL. AMEN: Will you tell the Tribunal?

        HOESS: This gold was melted down and brought to the Chief Medical Office of the SS at Berlin.

        COL. AMEN:

        “7. Another improvement we made over Treblinka was that we built our gas chamber to accomodate 2,000 people at one time whereas at Treblinka their 10 gas chambers only accommodated 200 people each. The way we selected our victims was as follows: We had two SS doctors on duty at Auschwitz to examine the incoming transports of prisoners. The prisoners would be marched by one of the doctors who would make spot decisions as they walked by. Those who were fit for work were sent into the camp. Others were sent immediately to the extermination plants. Children of tender years were invariably exterminated since by reason of their youth they were unable to work. Still another improvement we made over Treblinka was that at Treblinka the victims almost always knew that they were to be exterminated and at Auschwitz we endeavored to fool the victims into thinking that they were to go through a delousing process. Of course, frequently they realized our true intentions and we sometimes had riots and difficulties due to that fact. Very frequently women would hide their children under the clothes, but of course when we found them we would send the children in to be exterminated. We were required to carry out these exterminations in secrecy but of course the foul and nauseating stench from the continuous burning of bodies permeated

        the entire area and all of the people living in the surrounding communities knew that exterminations were going on at Auschwitz.”

        http://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/04-15-46.asp

        No steam chambers and the Poles even mentioned gas chambers along with steam chambers.

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      2. Huh. My comment disappeared.

        Well anyway:
        The article in question comes from the Polish Report listed here:
        http://www.cwporter.com/textfile1.htm

        It’s from a denier named CW Porter so he judges it to be authentic.

        Your article (at least the snippet you put up) misses the fact that the Poles, did, in fact, mention gas chambers:

        “hitherto unknown, new methods, gas and steam chambers as well as electric current employed on a large scale. ”

        Also, we have a witness testifying at Nuremberg:

        “RAJZMAN: These people were taken directly along the Himmelfahrtstrasse to the gas chambers.”

        http://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/02-27-46.asp

        And Hoess’s affidavit:
        ” I visited Treblinka to find out how they carried out their exterminations. The camp commandant at Treblinka told me that he had liquidated 80,000 in the course of onehalf year. He was principally concerned with liquidating all the Jews from the Warsaw Ghetto. He used monoxide gas, and I did not think that his methods were very efficient.”

        “Another improvement we made over Treblinka was that we built our gas chamber to accomodate 2,000 people at one time whereas at Treblinka their 10 gas chambers only accommodated 200 people each. ”

        http://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/04-15-46.asp

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      3. Hi, your comments didn’t disappear they were just waiting for me to approve them for some reason.
        I will publish the full article as it has some other items of interest in it but the only mention of gas is in respect of the elusive “gas vans” the unicorns of the holocaust story.
        I’m not quite sure of your point when you say
        “No steam chambers and the Poles even mentioned gas chambers along with steam chambers.”
        But I think you may be implying that murder by “steam” alone wasn’t introduced as evidence at Nuremburg?

        http://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/12-14-45.asp

        14 Dec. 45
        contained in Document L-161, Exhibit USA-292. The Document L-161 is an official Polish report on Auschwitz Concentration Camp. It is dated 31 May 1945. I have taken a short excerpt from this report on the original marked…
        THE PRESIDENT: I think you made a mistake, did you not? It is not a Polish report; it is a British report.
        MAJOR WALSH: I understand, Sir, it was compiled originally by the Polish Government and perhaps distributed from London.
        THE PRESIDENT: I see. Very well.
        MAJOR WALSH: I quote:
        “During July 1944 Hungarian Jews were being liquidated at the rate of 12,000 daily; and as the crematoria could not deal with such numbers, many bodies were thrown into large pits and covered with quicklime.”
        I offer in evidence Document 3311-PS, Exhibit USA-293. This is an official Polish Government Commission report on the investigation of German crimes in Poland. The document describes the concentration camp at Treblinka; and from Page 1, Paragraph 3 and 4, I read as follows:
        “In March 1942 the Germans began to erect another camp, Treblinka B. in the neighborhood of Treblinka A, intended to become a place of torment for Jews.
        “The erection of this camp was closely connected with the German plans aimed at a complete destruction of the Jewish population in Poland, which necessitated the creation of a machinery by means of which the Polish Jews could be killed in large numbers. Late in April 1942 erection was completed of the first chambers in which these general massacres were to be performed by means of steam. Somewhat later the erection of the real death building, which contains 10 death chambers, was finished. It was opened for wholesale murders early in autumn 1942.”
        And on Page 3 of this report, beginning with the second paragraph, the Polish Commission describes graphically the procedure for the extermination within the camp:
        “The average number of Jews dealt with at the camp in the summer of 1942 was about two railway transports daily, but there were days of much higher efficiency. From autumn 1942 this number was faring.
        “After unloading in the siding, all victims were assembled in one place, where men were separated from women and children. In the first days of the existence of the camp the victims were made to believe that after a short stay in the camp, necessary for bathing and disinfection, they would be sent
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        farther east for work. Explanations of this sort were given by SS men who assisted at the unloading of the transports, and further explanations could be read in notices stuck up on the walls of the barracks. But later, when more transports had to be dealt with, the Germans dropped all pretenses and only tried to accelerate the procedure.
        “All victims had to strip off their clothes and shoes, which were collected afterwards, whereupon all victims, women and children first, were driven into the death chambers. Those too slow or too weak to move quickly were driven in by rifle butts, by whipping and kicking, often by Saner himself. Many slipped and fell; the next victims pressed forward and stumbled over them. Small children were simply thrown inside. After being filled up to capacity, the chambers were hermetically closed and steam was let in. In a few minutes all was over. The Jewish menial workers had to remove the bodies from the platform and to bury them in mass graves. By and by, as new transports arrived, the cemetery grew, extending in an easterly direction.
        “From reports received it may be assumed that several hundred thousands of Jews have been exterminated in Treblinka.”
        No mention of gas in that section concerning Treblinka.

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      4. “But isn’t the point that Major Walsh specifically claims that “steam” was the method of murder in that section?”

        That document from the Poles also mentions gas chambers. We also have a witness from the camp, an inmate, says gas chambers. Hoess said gas chambers from his visit to Treblinka. Does this not mean anything?

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      5. Again, the point is that steam was the focus as the means of mass murder and introduced as evidence in the trial. There’s also witness from the camp, an inmate who says steam. There appears to be quite a few eyewitnesses to Treblinka. It seems it was a very shoddy death camp to allow so many to pass through it and survive.

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      6. “Again, the point is that steam was the focus as the means of mass murder and introduced as evidence in the trial. There’s also witness from the camp, an inmate who says steam.”

        What inmate?
        We also have gas introduced as the killing method at the trial, from the inmate and Hoess. Hoess actually goes into a great deal of detail, it’s obvious that he saw what the killing method was.
        So, I have a report from the Poles, that does say steam. But it also mentions gas and electricity as the murder method. I have an inmate who says gas and a concentration camp commander who describes in great detail the gas chambers and says Monoxide gas is the killing agent. This matches what the SS men who actually handled the killing engine.

        Forgive me but it seems that you are focusing on steam to the exclusion of everything else. You are ignoring other testimony and only focusing on steam. Why?

        “There appears to be quite a few eyewitnesses to Treblinka. It seems it was a very shoddy death camp to allow so many to pass through it and survive.”

        Do you know why that is?

        Then you should be quite pleased with Chelmno and Belzec. Hardly anyone survived those camps.

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      7. “Then you should be quite pleased with Chelmno and Belzec. Hardly anyone survived those camps”

        First off, I do not take pleasure in anyone’s death.

        I focused on the steam as it is just an example of the ludicrous stories and rumours propagated by the propagandists along with the electrocution and gassing tales.

        Hoess also confessed to the murder of 2,500,000 people at Auschwitz and a further 500,000 dying of hunger. So shouldn’t the death toll be 3,000,000 if we are to trust Hoess’s confession.
        Monoxide gas at Treblinka? From diesel engines of captured Russian tanks I believe the story goes. Diesel?? One of the least efficient methods of producing carbon monoxide available to the Germans at that time. It produces more oxygen than monoxide. The poor wretches would have probably died of boredom before the diesel fumes had chance to kill them.
        So Hoess devised his own method of mass murder? Would the Germans really done that? Allow individual camp commandants to create their own schemes of annihilation. Ridiculous.
        I’ve read Hoess’s “memoirs” and I suspect that he had more than a little help writing them.

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      8. “Then you should be quite pleased with Chelmno and Belzec. Hardly anyone survived those camps”

        “First off, I do not take pleasure in anyone’s death.”

        But, you deny that those Jews died. Do you not see the issue with that?

        “I focused on the steam as it is just an example of the ludicrous stories and rumours propagated by the propagandists along with the electrocution and gassing tales.”

        There’s that word again:
        “Propagandist.”

        I’ll ask you again:
        Why would the Poles and the USSR center their propaganda around Jews?
        Polish society before the war was very antisemitic and official USSR policy was not to “divide the dead.”

        “Hoess also confessed to the murder of 2,500,000 people at Auschwitz and a further 500,000 dying of hunger. So shouldn’t the death toll be 3,000,000 if we are to trust Hoess’s confession.”

        Hoess also said during his incarceration in Poland that the death toll was about 1.1 million….an amount backed by later research in the 1980’s by the curator of Auschwitz. He said that after Nuremberg. If his captors were coercing him, why would he lower that death toll?

        “Monoxide gas at Treblinka? From diesel engines of captured Russian tanks I believe the story goes. Diesel?? One of the least efficient methods of producing carbon monoxide available to the Germans at that time. It produces more oxygen than monoxide. The poor wretches would have probably died of boredom before the diesel fumes had chance to kill them.”

        😂

        I’m sorry, that’s ludicrous.
        You realize that large amounts of people packed into enclosed rooms would die anyway, don’t you?
        Also, the SS that handled the engines said that they were petrol, not diesel.

        “So Hoess devised his own method of mass murder? Would the Germans really done that? Allow individual camp commandants to create their own schemes of annihilation. Ridiculous.”

        Again, you do not understand how the Nazi state worked. Underlings were given tasks, it was their prerogative on how they completed those tasks. I’ve explained that before.

        “I’ve read Hoess’s “memoirs” and I suspect that he had more than a little help writing them.”

        Suspect? Or know?

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      9. But, you deny that those Jews died. Do you not see the issue with that?

        Oh so it’s only Jews that died then? I don’t deny people died in those camps, just none of them by poison gas.

        Why would the Poles and the USSR center their propaganda around Jews?

        Judging by the newspaper articles of the time Soviets were mainly using the term “Soviet citizens”. Not Jews

        I’m sorry, that’s ludicrous.
        You realize that large amounts of people packed into enclosed rooms would die anyway, don’t you?

        Well why bother with any type of gas at all?

        Also, the SS that handled the engines said that they were petrol, not diesel.

        “Now, the diesel engines used in Treblinka were much larger – they belonged to captured Soviet T-34 tanks.” http://www.nizkor.org/faqs/reinhard/reinhard-faq-07.html

        Again, you do not understand how the Nazi state worked. Underlings were given tasks, it was their prerogative on how they completed those tasks. I’ve explained that before.

        So supposedly the task of largest mass extermination in history was left to “underlings” to devise their own methods pffft what tosh

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      10. And again Diesel

        “The gas chambers were located inside the extermination area, in a
        massive brick building. During the camp’s first months of operation,
        there were three gas chambers, each 4 x 4 meters and 2.6 meters high,
        similar to the first gas chamber constructed in Sobibor. A room
        attached to the building contained a diesel engine, which introduced
        the poisonous carbon monoxide gas through pipes into the chambers, and
        a generator, which supplied electricity to the entire camp.
        http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/aktion.reinhard/ftp.cgi?camps/aktion.reinhard/treblinka/treblinka.gas

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      11. Also, if “supposedly” they did use petrol. Why use such a precious commodity to the German war effort to produce carbon monoxide when they could have simply used producer gas engines and burnt bits of wood instead?

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      12. “Also, if “supposedly” they did use petrol. Why use such a precious commodity to the German war effort to produce carbon monoxide when they could have simply used producer gas engines and burnt bits of wood instead?”

        Petrol was not an issue at that point in the war. Also, Poland is an oil producing region.

        Producer gas engines are volatile. Placing one in an enclosed area was a danger to the operator, those engines were never started inside or in an enclosed area. You risked explosion or fires.

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      1. I’m not sure what has happened to your comment but I can assure you I have not blocked or deleted anything.
        I’ve just checked my email to see if there’s anything I need to moderate and there isn’t?

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      2. It’s no big deal, my apologies if I came across the wrong way.

        My phone is getting ready to die, I’ll type it back up again and resubmit.

        Again, you have my apologies. I’m not accusing you of anything.

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  2. Missing or phantom comments notwithstanding, Hoess “confessed” to try to save his sorry hide after torture. He would have said anything to get his tormentors to stop. These confessions are worthless. Has this commenter, Bryce Daddy read any revisionist works?

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    1. You mean books written by deniers?

      Yes, I have. They are historically useless.

      What I find is sins of omissions, selectively pulling certain documents at the exclusion of others. It isn’t just a sin of deniers, unfortunately, but, they’ve elevated it to an art form.
      Thanks for pulling my attention back. I realize I owe an answer.

      Naturally I will invite you here:
      http://www.skepticforum.com/viewforum.php?f=39
      You can always whip up an account and point out where I am wrong.

      I make this standard invitation but for some reason none of the HD I meet on-line never take me up on it. After all, I frequently make comments on denier sites and blogs.

      In any case, I will make more of an effort here. Good evening.

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