Pathways 

Sometimes I wonder what other influences have set the seeds of doubt in my mind and caused me to question the whole holocaust and the evil Germans story we are brought up with.

Here are two small paragraphs from a book that I read some time ago and stuck in my mind. They’re from a book called “RIFLEMAN” about a remarkable British soldier called Victor Gregg. (Victor Gregg has absolutely no involvement in holocaust denial whatsoever, these are purely my own personal comments and opinions)

The paragraphs concerns the defence of Outpost Snipe and the battle of Kidney Ridge (2nd Battle of El Alamein 1942). 2nd Rifle Brigade vs elements from German 90th Light Division, 21st Panzer Div. The fighting had been heavy, the Germans took high casualties and put up a white flag and requested a ceasefire to collect their wounded. The ceasefire held the Germans collected their wounded then hostilities resumed. The Germans launched a massive infantry attack.Fierce fighting eventually became hand to hand and the balance only tipped when British artillery finally hit.

Page 100- SNIPE: 2nd RB OPEN THE GATE

            Peace of a sort descended. Men of both sides squatted down on their haunches to count the cost. Smoke from burnt-out tanks and armoured cars turned daylight into darkness. Friend and foe, we were all in a state of shock. We sensed there would be no more action this day.

After about an hour, as it was getting dark, a lone German came towards our positions carrying a white flag. He stopped about fifty feet from us and our young officer went out to meet him. The German handed over the personal things that Izzy had been carrying on him. We all gave a cheer as he went to his comrades. All over our front the enemy were yet again collecting their wounded. Were these the evil men we had been told about? The men who performed atrocities wherever they went? In our eyes they were men of honour.

(Izzy was a small East End Jew. During a German bombardment in the battle two of his mates were blown to pieces. It sent him over the edge and he charged the German lines firing his Bren gun, he was killed in a fusillade of bullets)

“Were these the evil men we had been told about?”

Its little snippets like these and memories recounted by close relatives that fought the Germans in WWII that bring me to question the whole “official” narrative of the “Good” Allies vs the “Evil” Axis and how the holocaust has become a modern form of governmental religion.

Victor Gregg volunteered for the Parachute Regiment and went on to fight at Arhnem but was captured by the Germans and later sent to a POW in Dresden. He was sentenced to death for sabotaging a German soap factory while as a POW but the day before his execution whilst he was incarcerated the RAF payed a visit to Dresden and an explosion freed him but killed many others imprisoned with him. His freedom came with a price as he then witnessed the full horror of the Dresden raid, nothing he had seen in any battle could prepare him for that and took him 40 years to come to terms with it.

As he says

“we were supposed to be the good guys, we was going to war to rescue Europe from the Evil of the Third Reich, and we finished up being worse than they were. I’m not going to say we, because what annoys me is all this was done in our name and I felt it, it really whacked me, that I’d been under a nation that had been responsible for what had been going in that city that night”

 

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18 thoughts on “Pathways 

      1. Similar in the way that it dissolves the image that we are brought up with via school and Hollywood of the stereotype of the marauding Nazi monsters. I mean why would German doctors and medics treat wounded Russian soldiers after a battle that the Nazis had won if they were the all encompassing evil we are taught to believe they were.
        And wasn’t just the occasional bandage they gave, some were quite major operations. So why do that if you were the epitome of evil.

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      2. “Similar in the way that it dissolves the image that we are brought up with via school and Hollywood of the stereotype of the marauding Nazi monsters. I mean why would German doctors and medics treat wounded Russian soldiers after a battle that the Nazis had won if they were the all encompassing evil we are taught to believe they were.”

        You are basing this on a single book you read?

        “And wasn’t just the occasional bandage they gave, some were quite major operations. So why do that if you were the epitome of evil.”

        So, you are basing all of this on a single book you read?

        What about the fact that over two million Soviet POWs died due to starvation and maltreatment between the Summer of 1941 and the Spring of 1942? Does this not enter into your world view?

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      3. “Yeah, so it’s like “weapons of mass destruction” in Iraq. We all knew they were there didn’t we, our intelligence agencies told us so. Tony Blair and GWB believed it and a preemptive strike was in order. Only we won the Iraq war and didn’t have to face the fury of revenge from the Iraqi forces.”

        What does that have to do with anything? Hitler planned the expansion of Germany from the early 20’s into the USSR.

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      4. I’m just pointing out that Germany isn’t alone in attacking first based on flimsy evidence. I’m not defending Hitler’s attack on Russia. Also why wasn’t the Soviet Union brought to trial for launching an their attack on Poland and Finland etc.

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      5. “’just pointing out that Germany isn’t alone in attacking first based on flimsy evidence. ”

        What “evidence” did Germany possess that convinced the the Soviets were positioning for an attack?

        Now, I want to be clear on something. Do I think that Stalin thought of the possibility of war with Germany and made plans to do so?

        Quite possibly yes. I have no evidence for this, this is strictly my opinion. I don’t know of any archival plans found that support this opinion.
        Do I think that Stalin thought that war between Germany and the West was something he could take advantage of and profit from?
        Absolutely. In fact, his actions show that he did so. I also believe that Stalin thought that Germany and the West would fight to exhaustion and he would emerge as the sole power in Europe, able to dictate events as an arbiter. That comes from the books I’ve read about this. It shocked Stalin that France fell so quickly in May and June of 1940.
        But, were there Soviet plans to attack Germany in 1941? No, because Stalin understood the weakness of the USSR at that point versus the strength of Nazi Germany.

        Look what happened when Germany attacked. They plowed through every Red Army unit they encountered. The Red Army was in no condition to fight.

        “I’m not defending Hitler’s attack on Russia. Also why wasn’t the Soviet Union brought to trial for launching an their attack on Poland and Finland etc.”

        Are you advocating that Britain, France and the US should have started WW III right after the end of WW II? Because that’s what it would have taken to bring the Soviets to trial.

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      6. No, I’m not advocating that the Soviets should have been brought to trial. I agree with you 100% that this would have instigated WWIII. I’m merely pointing out the double standards.
        On the double standards I’m suggesting that if any government is determined to go to war for whatever purpose they will find a pretext for it. Whether it is based in fact or just fantasy.

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    1. “Aye, on the Eastern Front there were many atrocities committed by the Red Army and the soviet partisans. But, that does not fit the narrative, eh?”

      What “narrative?”

      Yeah, the Germans were great. They allowed two million Soviet POWs to die from the Summer of 1941 until the Spring of 1942, only stopping when they figured out they were killing off valuable labor. Swell guys. The Germans also plundered Poland and the occupied areas of the Soviet Union of food (causing artificial famine), people and industry. Deniers don’t like to talk about that part, I wonder why?
      Oh, can’t forget the mass killing of the Polish elite under operation Tannenburg. Ooohhh, here’s a fun one to help your education along, did you know that under both the T-4 and 14f13 Programs the Germans murdered not only disabled Germans but also Polish and Soviet disabled citizens? It’s true!!! In fact, Herbert Lange, the original commandant of the Chelmno Death Camp, first made a name for himself by murdering disabled Poles to clear out hospitals for German wounded!!!

      Wow, the Germans were great!!! I don’t know why the Poles and Soviets hated them so much. It’s a true mystery.

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      1. Don’t forget the Katyn Forest massacre by the Germans. Oh hang on, that was the Soviets wasn’t it. They just tried to blame the Nazis for it. Oh and there’s Nemensdorf too to throw in the mix.

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      2. “Don’t forget the Katyn Forest massacre by the Germans. Oh hang on, that was the Soviets wasn’t it.”

        Why, yes, it was. Did I claim the Soviets were angels?

        “They just tried to blame the Nazis for it. ”

        Yes and it failed miserably. The Soviets were trying to cover up one of their crimes, not invent a German one.

        “Oh and there’s Nemensdorf too to throw in the mix.”

        Not to excuse what happened there (because there is no excuse for it) but, tell me, why were the Red Army troops there?

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      3. Why were the Red Army troops there?
        Perhaps because Germany launched a preemptive strike against an enemy they knew were coiling for an attack on Western Europe. The attack failed. Germany was raped.

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      4. “Why were the Red Army troops there?
        Perhaps because Germany launched a preemptive strike against an enemy they knew were coiling for an attack on Western Europe. The attack failed. Germany was raped.”

        Uh, no. That matches no known reality.

        The Red Army was poorly equipped and poorly led in 1941. There were very few T-34 (about 900) tanks ready for battle in the Summer of 1941, there were less than 500 Joseph Stalin tanks in the Summer of 1941.
        All of the crack Red Army units were based in Siberia in June of 1941, waiting for the Japanese. Stalin only brought those units west in November of 1941 after being reassured that the Japanese were not going attack.
        The Red Army showed its weakness during the Winter War with Finland. Stalin understood that and nixed the idea of a preemptive strike in May of 1941.
        The German Generals started planning the attack on the Soviet Union in the Summer of 1940, Hitler signed off on the attack in December of 1940.
        Really, the idea that this was some type of preemptive strike is laughable. “Icebreaker,” the book that all this garbage comes from is a joke, even Russian historians panned it.

        No, those Red Army soldiers were there because Hitler overreached and lost. His, the SS and the Wehrmacht were responsible for the fury in which the Red Army treated the Germans. I will not condone the behavior but the fault is Hitler’s alone.

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      5. “Why were the Red Army troops there?
        Perhaps because Germany launched a preemptive strike against an enemy they knew were coiling for an attack on Western Europe. The attack failed. Germany was raped.”

        Uh, no. That matches no known reality.

        The Red Army was poorly equipped and poorly led in 1941. There were very few T-34 (about 900) tanks ready for battle in the Summer of 1941, there were less than 500 Joseph Stalin tanks in the Summer of 1941.
        All of the crack Red Army units were based in Siberia in June of 1941, waiting for the Japanese. Stalin only brought those units west in November of 1941 after being reassured that the Japanese were not going attack.
        The Red Army showed its weakness during the Winter War with Finland. Stalin understood that and nixed the idea of a preemptive strike in May of 1941.
        The German Generals started planning the attack on the Soviet Union in the Summer of 1940, Hitler signed off on the attack in December of 1940.
        Really, the idea that this was some type of preemptive strike is laughable. “Icebreaker,” the book that all this garbage comes from is a joke, even Russian historians panned it.

        No, those Red Army soldiers were there because Hitler overreached and lost. His, the SS and the Wehrmacht were responsible for the fury in which the Red Army treated the Germans. I will not condone the behavior but the fault is Hitler’s alone.

        I am sorry for it but that fault lies with Hitler.

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      6. Yeah, so it’s like “weapons of mass destruction” in Iraq. We all knew they were there didn’t we, our intelligence agencies told us so. Tony Blair and GWB believed it and a preemptive strike was in order. Only we won the Iraq war and didn’t have to face the fury of revenge from the Iraqi forces.

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