Holocaust Miracle 

BBC eight Nazi Death camps
BBC

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-34405565
Man survives eight Nazi Death camps? 

They can’t have been very efficient death camps then. Then again the Germans are renowned for clumsiness and disorganisation. 

The article has all the usual canards. 

Flames from chimneys 

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“We could see from a distance that there were flames coming out from four chimneys. I didn’t realise that this was the crematorium.”

Water instead of gas

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He remembers the infamous shower rooms, and the prisoners who were sent there.

“They put us into a block. All of us, one particular large block. Then the following morning, a selection of that block went into the shower room,” he said.

“We went to the shower room. It’s the same shower room that other people went in and the gas came in. But we got the water that came down and we washed ourselves.”

Just as an addendum to a comment below here is Buchenwald described as a “death camp” 

Monday 23rd April 1945 Aberdeen Press and Journal 

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22 thoughts on “Holocaust Miracle 

  1. LOL
    Buchenwald wasn’t a death camp, not in the sense that it was a dedicated extermination camp.
    I also find the whole “shower” thing funny. None of the Kremas had showers though they did have fake nozzles. The poor old fellow is obviously mistaken.
    Also, none of the camps except Birkenau and Buchenwald are named. Not all of the camps were extermination camps, in fact, the majority were not.
    You understand the difference, don’t you?

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    1. Haha, I’m guessing you’re not a member of the irony appreciation society Jeff. I’m not claiming they are death camps but the BBC is. This is just an example of the kind of twaddle pedalled by the media that obfuscates the truth. I don’t doubt the man’s sincerity, he probably did believe that he’d been in a gas chamber and I imagine he may have believed that the soap they gave him was made from human fat too.

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      1. “Haha, I’m guessing you’re not a member of the irony appreciation society Jeff. I’m not claiming they are death camps but the BBC is. This is just an example of the kind of twaddle pedalled by the media that obfuscates the truth.”

        What “truth?”
        This is why it’s a waste of time to rely on newspaper articles. Journalists aren’t historians, hell, they aren’t even decent amateurs like myself.

        “I don’t doubt the man’s sincerity, he probably did believe that he’d been in a gas chamber and I imagine he may have believed that the soap they gave him was made from human fat too.”

        Sigh. Look, this is why I don’t rely on witness testimony. You shouldn’t, either. The inmates saw and experienced only what they were allowed to see or what they saw by accident. The same with other witnesses who didn’t understand what they were seeing.
        This is why you have to balance that testimony with what the perpetrators also said and what documentation exists. I look at all of it.

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      2. “Yes that’s a fair comment but a lot of the holocaust narrative is based on survivor testimony.”

        But not solely based on survivor testimony.

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  2. There is a video over on YouTube that has a woman who tells of the same true water showers at Majdanek in Poland. She and her Jewish fellow inmates had heard the tales of showers being gas chambers and they were very frightened. But, then when the showers started and water came out, the Jews were over joyed.

    Note: Majdanek was labelled a death camp and the original Soviet “estimates” (for propaganda purposes obviously) placed the figure at 1,500,000 dead. Now, the camp museum tallies the total death toll at around 76,000. Some believe it is no more than half that figure, i.e. about 38,000 dead. What a significant reduction in death toll. This should be a cause of rejoicing amongst the Jews as so many fewer Jews lost their lives there.

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    1. “There is a video over on YouTube that has a woman who tells of the same true water showers at Majdanek in Poland. She and her Jewish fellow inmates had heard the tales of showers being gas chambers and they were very frightened. But, then when the showers started and water came out, the Jews were over joyed.”

      That’s what you get for learning your history from YouTube. Or Twitter.

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      1. May I just point out that the said videos on YouTube are from Steven Spielberg’s Shoah Foundation survivor interviews so yes, pretty useless for learning history then.

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      2. “May I just point out that the said videos on YouTube are from Steven Spielberg’s Shoah Foundation survivor interviews so yes, pretty useless for learning history then.”

        Yes, because YouTube deniers like to edit said interviews in ways so that the statement comes out contradictory. Also, what did I say about victim/witness testimony? They only know what they were allowed to see or what they saw by accident. So, in the case of gas chamber/showers they mistook the purpose of the building they were led to. There were rampant rumors making the rounds at places like Auschwitz about gas chambers. These witnesses THOUGHT they were going to a gas chamber….but instead they went to the Central Sauna.
        Note, also, the ages of these people. They were young during the war and so were used for labor. To prevent diseases of course they were shaved and showered….but, the gassed victims (at Auschwitz) were shaved AFTER gassing, not before.

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      3. “….but, the gassed victims (at Auschwitz) were shaved AFTER gassing, not before.”
        Were the Germans so desperate to stuff their mattresses with human hair and make socks for Uboat sailors from it that they resorted to shaving corpses?
        Utter nonesense, and how many human hair mattesses have ever been found btw?
        I agree with you on the reliability of eyewitness testimony but as I said before much of the holocaust story is based on eyewitness testimony.
        A quote from the USHMM https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007271
        Eyewitness testimony from both perpetrators and survivors laid the foundation for much of what we know about the Holocaust, including details of the Auschwitz death machinery, atrocities committed by the Einsatzgruppen and other SS and police units, the destruction of the Warsaw ghetto, and the original statistical estimate of six million murdered Jews.

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      4. Oh, well, I’ll reconstruct it when I have a moment.
        I’m not accusing you of anything. Sorry if it came across that way. It just means I’ll have to go back and find the links I posted and that’s a tad frustrating.

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    2. “Note: Majdanek was labelled a death camp and the original Soviet “estimates” (for propaganda purposes obviously) placed the figure at 1,500,000 dead. Now, the camp museum tallies the total death toll at around 76,000. Some believe it is no more than half that figure, i.e. about 38,000 dead. What a significant reduction in death toll. This should be a cause of rejoicing amongst the Jews as so many fewer Jews lost their lives there.”

      How many Jews did the Soviets say were included in their original figures?

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      1. The point is that people like you accept the original figures! The forensic examinations and the documentary evidence (found in the former Soviet Archives after the fall of communism) do not support the official story. Believe as you will. When the truth is inconvenient for you, you choose to remain in a state of denial. And, that is why I rarely bother to respond to comments from folks such as yourself. Today, was your lucky day.

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      2. “The point is that people like you accept the original figures!”

        LOL
        No I don’t. The Soviets overestimated the figures, already by the early 50’s historians like Reitlinger and Hilberg in the 60’s knew those figures were wrong.
        The actual point is that the Soviets downplayed the amount of Jewish dead. Did you know that the Soviets didn’t mention Jews in connection with Auschwitz at all at the IMT? That the Soviets only mentioned Jews in passing for Majdanek? Why would they do that, I wonder? I thought all Jews were Communists.

        “The forensic examinations and the documentary evidence (found in the former Soviet Archives after the fall of communism) do not support the official story.

        The “official story” discards the Soviets incorrect figures. You need to catch up, it’s no longer the 1940’s.

        “Believe as you will. When the truth is inconvenient for you, you choose to remain in a state of denial.”

        I believe you are the denier here, not me.

        “And, that is why I rarely bother to respond to comments from folks such as yourself. Today, was your lucky day.”

        Gee, I’m thrilled. No, I think you are scared that you realize you simply don’t know as much as I do.

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      3. You’ve captured my attention, BTW. I think you are going to hear from me more often, Larryzb.

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      4. lol you must be doing something right Larry if brycesdaddy1105wants to shut you down. He’s an intransigent ideologue but I believe he is genuine in his beliefs but he is willing to debate subjects that the establishment would consider illegal and ban,

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      5. “lol you must be doing something right Larry if brycesdaddy1105wants to shut you down. ”

        Oh, I don’t want to shut him down. What makes you think that?

        “He’s an intransigent ideologue”

        Aaaaawww, how sweet…..😂

        “but I believe he is genuine in his beliefs but he is willing to debate subjects that the establishment would consider illegal and ban,”

        Is someone trying to shut you down?

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